Subject: Questions & Answers

The keyword here is patterns...

e.g. If two or more teams play the majority of the games in a importance different than VL and always play a VL vs VL match between them... you have a pattern here.. and in my opinion.. matter for a punishment.

But it's a hard thing to do..cuz it takes a lot of time, study and research to achieve a valid conclusion.

Well it is not 15 periods, its 15 or above. In serbia for example there are 11 teams with 24 or more.

For making something to relate to, the 2 teams from sweden that got place 1 and place 2 in the last year champions league are now dead. Why? They agreed on playing at NORMAL matchimportance instead of very high (which was standard in sweden in topgames). They both got a fine of 300 000 000 and dropped the game.

In this case there was evidence to support this but Im sure that you could find evidence to support this kind of matchimportancecheat going on in more leagues. I dont want to point someone out but the stats are interesting and shows alot on the differences. The swedish teams got banned for playing normal against each other in the league like 3-4 times so that make be belive it dosent take that many matches to be considered a cheat. So a league that say top 5 are also the topusers of VL, you could think something is wrong. And if I start to look in the matches between 1-5 placed teams, I still se lots of VL. Remember the bar of how many matches has been set and is not high.


And what is really the different upon secretly starting playing VL against each other (or perhaps trough pm, skype, msn) and agreeing on it. People doing this will ofc not do it in public, but secretly or not there is some big differences between the leagues now.

And if you need some proof in the meaning of a manager typring it openly on the forums, that will never happen. Instead looking at stats and suspicious behaviour is the way to go.. Now making stats of induvidual matches takes foreever and thats why I dont want to do it, I just hope that this matter is being monitored.

Defining all the games with the same importance = 1,0 loss of seasonal energy per full match would make lots of things easier.

Some would say this would take away part of the fun of the game.

Some would say there would still be room for cheating: playing with the bench players.

In fact, it´s not an easy issue to address.

I tihnk that match importance is a good strategic tool. Maybe they could shift the balance onto playing players (well trained) in the right place and using the right tactics a bit more.

thats a nice idea.
Even better: to have the possibility,to give a player an individual tactic,or for example,3 players of the team.
I would like that...

Yes I just want to get the discussion going becuse I believe that this can be or already is a problem in the international cups. I dont think they should delete the energysystem tho becuse I love it, just dont how people use it.

I really dont want to point any fingers at someone so my next facts are based upon a 1.1 league but I dont want to say which one, please dont do it if you find out either becuse this is for the sake of the discussion where do draw the line and not to piont out anyone in the forums.

What I have done is I looked all the games between place 1-5. That means 1vs4, 5vs3, 2vs1 and so on.. So far they played 18 games, which means that there is 18games * 2teams * 2halftimes = 72 periods. Now the results I got was interesting, remember this is for only the top5 teams which really should be more inclined to win against each other;

66(!!!) periods on Very low.
1low, 3normal,2high. 66/72 periods betweem the top5 teams are played on very low. Thats a nice 92%.

And for comparison with this 92% very low, we in sweden have 0% VL in the team placed 1-5 matches

If stats don't prove anything, then it's very easy to agree on match importance and not getting caught. I think a lot of people will start doing it now they have read this. People socialize on ppm forums, exchange msn, skype addresses and whatnot. They start talking there, one thing leads to another... Ethically it's incorrect, but who cares about ethics nowadays? These kinds of agreements are impossible to prove, but some of them are pretty obvious...

1. Cut-off match importance

or

2. Limit match importance regarding type of match

Yes, something like limiting the number of importances available each season would be a possible solution. That is if the PPM-Team sees this situation as a problem of course...

Now you presented some numbers that i think are really relevant... and cannot be taken as normal...

No cutting match importance,no limit match importance.
I want to have a chance against first of june teams,too.

I second you on that. Both.

That´s not about ethics, that´s about moral hazard.
I think you brought some solid points.

What do you think about the stats provided? 66/72 periods played on VL between the top5 teams in the league?