Subject: Questions & Answers

you will not believe me - but there are some fools who play tiki-taka football

Well good that marissis post his match - it's vary interesting to compare this 2 matches - tells a lot about engine.

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I don't know if this is a place for discussion about engine so I will not go in details. But looks like when you don't have side mid. - it's almost absolutely irrelevant if you have players nearby to cover that - so it's better to put other players on totally opposite side.

And what we get at the end - with penalization they wanted to stop silly tactics - but now if you must play without side mid - then you should make the silliest tactic you can imagine

soccer.powerplaymanager.c... you can play without RD and RM if you have stronger team than oponent and easy win

Like I said - If you play without side mid - then go for silliest you can imagine

So now we have gradation something like this

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I am tired of this - I just tried to point on poor penalization method - but looks like most of you like it.

Yes, there seems to be penalty, no question about that. But one question is, what if in the match you posted your LD and LF would have trained Mid (I assume they haven't?)? Maybe then there is a chance to get better numbers in side mid? But I don't know, just guessing.

You can't expect to win or score goals regularly with only one player in attack. It's obvious that home team didn't used to move those midfield possession into attacking zone, and when such things occur than you can't win matches regularly (even if opponent is penalized)

Thanks for this question - because thats next step in theory.

I think that players like offensive def and defensive forward have so small influence on mid zone that it would be absolutely waste to practice them Mid.

And thats another problem in my opinion.

So far we had proven things, but this one is only theory or speculation (at least to me) as I didn't had similar players to check it

Off course - it's a theory and I can't say I know how it is.

Does some have such players ? would be interesting to see statistics

Say guys, can I have your PPM notebooks where you keep all your researches?

I would also like to see it...

For me, there is still a lot of guessing involved here. But you guys really might have a point. It would be interesting (at least for me) to compare two nearly equal games, like I said above. I will play some games against the same opponent next month, looking forward to check your theory.

And, I train my offensive side defenders and offensive/defensive midfielders (those that usually play at the 'borders'') with 35-40% - so I will see.
Btw, regarding training these non-position-A-skills, imho the problem is that we can't judge how good it is to train them. You can't see that in the ratings I think, just in team strength.

And for the umpteenth time I recommend to switch this discussion to the football formation thread - would be a good idea I think.

Edit: Something like '...with 35-40% in the neighboring A-skill...' was missing.

How can you think a LF can do the work of a LM? NOvakonis LF have maybe 20 trained in mid. How can you argue that he could cover that position?

IssaX you talked about just the box in CM area, There are 3vs3 there, and then 1vs1 on right and 1vs0 on left. The team with 5 players will won all boxes since they will always have one more to pass to = CMs can have the ball, pass to LM, opponent CM must attack him leaving 3vs2 for the other team in the middle and so on...

You 2 talk alot as you know things but it seems you really dont.

Would be interesting to see novakoni play this game;
http://soccer.powerplaymanager.com/en/match-report.html?data=2012015840

WIth the exact same tactics and players, only change is using the very same player on LM that played LF. Then you could draw some conclusions on that game and have in mind that random plays a role also.

" The team with 5 players will won all boxes since they will always have one more to pass to = CMs can have the ball, pass to LM, opponent CM must attack him leaving 3vs2 for the other team in the middle and so on... "

What game are you playing ?

We are talking about BLIND penalization - engine can't sense do you have players to cover - he just penalize because there is no player at side mid.

And here we come to the start of this discussion - there are must have positions - without them you can't make team without penalization.