Subject: Questions & Answers

Well I also think that's not how engine work

I just wanted to say that more points where chance calculator is involved gives less chance for final result as "random".

@BeeJay
Nice thinking

With that I fully agree, then I didn't get your point.

Concerning BJ, yes, let the experts speak.

Like Ivan said they wont be only dots, but images

And well if you watch the game i think you can get a better view of played match. You could understand better how your team works against the opponement.

Well, 2D element wont be anything else as live broadcast is now. It will not simulate actual events.
If it could simulate actual events it would be much better than FM which is IMO best manager so far, thus not online.

I hope that some day FM manager will be minimum base for any online football manager. That game gives you influence over your results. And at the end, thats all what managers ask. They want feeling that they did good or bad.

Here is that feeling still far away.

Since the officials already told you 10000 times youre wrong I would say dont take what this guy says as correct..

And what did I say ???

"Well I also think that's not how engine work"

After one, two, five, ten matches, you can get all weird results. you can only judge how you are doing after a whole season, which takes ages and it is hard to see what is going wrong or right even. FM also has more bells and whistles, just such a good game.

Hmm, interesting

Looks like you didn't understand me right - but probably because of my poor English.

Yes, I would also say that you missed the point here.

I was saying in a previous post that the calculation is reasonably made step by step and so not very 'random'. As a proposal how it could be otherwise novakoni said we could have one match big calculation and one 'roll of the dice' in the end - which would lead to a big random factor. I misunderstood him somewhat in the the first place, so he made it clear by saying:

"Well I also think that's not how engine work

I just wanted to say that more points where chance calculator is involved gives less chance for final result as "random". "

So, actually no need to start another fight.

There is never need for fight

But there is need for apprehension - so I actually have question for @BeeJay:

- As I said - I find BJ thinking interesting so I would like to hear from him how he see individual plays are involved in game step by step calculations ???

What kind of individual plays?

Well I actually don't know what kind but there are some individual plays as I am informed.

I imagine something like - player AA passes to player AB, player AB dribbles player BA - AB crosses, players AC jumps and shoot, Gk BB try to save ....

Or something like that - I don't know - that's why I asked

There you have to decide, what kind of complexity you would like to have.
Then you have to decide, whether you calculate, whether and what kind of situation there is (freekick, goal, penalty, corner, throw-in,..) or you start calculating in the beginning.
By the first one you have the result and then you generate the situation. For example calculate player against player in each corner and the one with the highest aggression (influecend by random parameters) gets the card.
By the second one you start with choosing a team. then you take a (randomize) starting point, f.e. CD, and calculate where he could pass, whether there is an opponent to steal the pass, how fast the receiving player is, and so on..

It looks very hard, but in IT, it's for every second just ms

So we have 2 options:

1 - calculate result with general parameters and after that generate situation

2 - generate situation step by step with player attributes - and at the end get the result

And do you have opinion how PPM engine works ? 1st or 2nd ?