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saint2e

That's up for debate. Some people feel that the non-primary attributes are secondary and tertiary, while others feel they're both just secondary, and not weighted at all.

Basically the school of thought that have it as Primary-Secondary-Tertiary feel that the guide lists them in order. So for example, Wingers' are Primary: Offense, Secondary: Technique, Tertiary: Aggressiveness.

So for a 4:3:2 ratio, you want something like: 80Off, 60Tec, and 40Agr.


Person close to PPM team canucks357

Actually... up until a couple months ago it would say secondary and tertiary attribute. It has since been changed to two secondary attributes. The order of importance in the guide when I started playing was:

C: Off/Pass/Tech
W: Off/Tech/Agr
D: Def/Pass/Agr
G: Goal/Tech/Pass


nsblues


This is where i believe personal preference comes in. I believe the bare minimum to be successful is 2-1-1. Therefore with a 4-3-2 or a 5-4-3 build you are choosing to place more importance one one of the secondaries.

I do not believe one secondary is better than the other, however in personalizing my build of the team I choose to focus on one more than the other, mostly because I don't like 2-1-1. Some people may like more aggressiveness. Some may prefer more passing. I think as long as you maintain a minimum of 2-1-1, deciding what to emphasize is really about building the personality of your team.


Joker4ever

What about a 100-65-65 ratio then to balance the thing ?


saint2e

I think at the end of the day it makes sense to train on certain attributes. There is definitely a link between massive penalties and defenseman who are low in technique attributes. Tech isn't a "secondary attribute" for defenseman, but it's in your best interest.

In the case of Wingers, people prefer 4:3:2 because it gives more emphasis on technique, which makes sense: for scoring wingers you want technique to deke out the goalie.

As far as my own thoughts, I have my "build" that I like to do for my players. I'm start to subscribe more to the 4:3:2 ratio for wingers... The amount of times my guys get stopped on a breakaway is disgusting and I think upping the technique might help with that.


nsblues


i think that's an excellent ratio to try and see how it works.

I just started my third different training regime in 3 seasons :) So its an ever evolving process.


Person close to PPM team canucks357


I generally think that anywhere between 2:1:1 and 4:3:2 is fine. What you posted is slightly more but would work too. I've been experimenting with 4:2:3 as well for centers. I noticed deadrick used it so why not give it a whirl ;)


Joker4ever

So far i was using a 2:1:1 system. But what shocked me the most is that there is a lot of attributes missing here.

That's why at first i've made a spreadsheet with ratio for all attributes to compare my players and train them accordingly.

Here the ratios i'm using (for a total of 50 for all) :
goalie : 20 goal, 15 pass, 15 tech
def : 12 def, 6 att, 7 shoot, 9 pass, 7 tech, 9 agress
winger : 4 def, 12 att, 8 shoot, 8 pass, 9 tech, 9 agr
center : 6 def, 12 att, 8 shoot, 10 pass, 10 tec, 4 agr

And even to determine my best 3 men to use in shoot-outs i use this formula :
25 shoot, 25 tec.

Am I totally out the charts doing so, or the ratios i'm using are reasonnable ? (12 - 9 - 9 mostly)


saint2e

I use the same criteria for shootout. Essentially, who on my team has the highest shooting+technique, so I'd say you're not doing bad with your training.


themightyoil

I think anyone who wants insight into player training should stop scouting their own marginal players and start scouting the top players from top teams. Scout 4 or 5 top players and you'll have a really good idea what to do with your own players.


Dibs

I kind of came to the conclusion on my own that the two secondary attributes are weighted equally. Think about pass/agr for defensemen. If you train him to have a higher pass, you've molded more of an offensive, puck-moving defenseman as opposed to a grinding defensive defenseman.

I have no data to support any of my claims.


themightyoil

So players salaries have dropped. Will staff salaries follow? Will other expenditures, such as arena and facility maintenance change also?


nsblues


nothing else is changing at this time.


Pete94


nope


huzy8

anyone else not get their players that they bought off the market?? I just purchased two players, but they didnt come through when the market countdown reached zero.... So strange.



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