Subject: [Old] Canada Senior NT Discussion

I propose a race around the world.

I don't play many road games. My players are stuck in Canada

Poll Time:

Who should be Canada's first manager?

Assuming 40 players get named, how many at each position should be selected?

Assuming 40 players get named, how many 'best right now' vs. how many 'best prospects' should be chosen?

What ratio's should we be working with at each position?

I think there are lots of candidates for the soccer NT who would do a bang up job. A roster of 40 will essentially allow for 3 full teams to be named. That means, in my eyes, we should name 3 GK, 12 D (3L, 6C, 3R), 12M (3/6/3) and 6 F. That leaves 7 slots (GK, 2xD, 2xM, 2xF) for prospect players.

As far as ratios go, I have a very strong hunch regarding what ratios work based off my GK research. That being said, my players haven't achieved said ratio because I only implemented it recently so it hasn't fully been tested. However, I have long gotten a lot out of players with poor ratings so I think I got a good idea.

I'm curious what other people think. Looks like in a month or so we'll will start phase 1 of Canada's Soccer NT.

In my opinion the first year of the tournament we should heavily focus on players who are 'best prospects'.

The soccer game is still young comparatively, and players that have a head start don't have an insurmountable head start. Most of the top players are there just because they have been around the longest, but at lower facility levels.

With 12s and 13s training coming in now we will see prospects catch up faster right now. Investing in them this year would mean that next year our 'best players now' would almost equal our 'best prospects'.

That would be the optimal because any time given to 'best players now' that aren't the 'best prospects' is wasted time. The training bonus would be best used on 'best prospects'.

What I'd like to see is a list of avg training amounts for players. That's the REAL measure of a prospect.

I agree with Canucks on the distribution of players we take.
I would however differ by saying that we definitely take the 'best right now' single player for each position, and all the rest be 'best prospects'

That would be 1 line of 'best right now',
2 lines of 'best prospects'
and 7 for picking some long way up and comers on teams that might not have good facilities right now, but should be able to catch up quickly.

In 1 or 2 seasons our 2 lines of 'best prospects' would like be our best 2 lines and ALSO our best prospects which is perfect.

Also before picking a long shot up and comer just because they have 95 Avg Q on a team with level 4 training, I would make sure the manager knows what they are doing. If they squander that player, it won't matter that their Qs are the best in Canada if they never invest in their facilities. The owners of the players would need to be involved because in the end all that matter is avg training.

I wanted to talk about average training a bit more. (I think its a PRO pack screen).

After a player gets into their pattern where they just keep repeating the same training regimen every week or so then the avg improvement says how fast they are improving (given the ratio the user has chosen for them).

I believe my best player for instance trains at 0.90 per day on avg. I have some new players who train faster but they are new and haven't got into training all their stats yet, they are only hitting their good stats right now. Once some of the other ones need to be raised because of the ratio their avg will lower significantly.

The reason nothing else matters exact avg training is because like i mentioned previously.
A team could have the best Avg Q player in Canada but if they don't have a good facility/staff strategy, then it won't matter.
A mediocre 80 Avg Q player training at 1.00 per day will never be passed by a 95 avg Q player who only does 0.80 per day (or 0.99 for that matter).

If we see that a team is newer and quickly moving up in facilities, they can catch up as we all get stuck on higher level facilities and costs etc and the gap will narrow. But we have to make sure that team WILL put money into training. In the case that they are catching up, then the fact they have a 95 Avg Q player means much more because the earlier we invest in prospects the sooner/more it pays off.

Going with (best avg training + Avg Q) over just (Avg Q) is much better way to weight players as prospects.

A picture speaks a thousand words

Here is Peter T on my team from last month
I believe he is the best avg trainer I have.
I am showing last months because there is more of a pattern. I changed his ratio this month so the pattern disappeared and its harder to tell what it is now until he gets back into a pattern again.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2652994/PPM/PeterT.jpg

His technically is still missing his "Head" atty because its still higher than its needs to be according to my ratio, but it is a higher Q so it won't lower the avg training.

Here is another player I have with higher avg training RIGHT NOW, but no pattern, and so its biased towards his best attys right now.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2652994/PPM/IsaacL.jpg

After he starts training shot and header and some of his other lower Qs his avg training will likely go down to .80 or something.

I agree with this statement, I am not going to have any players even close to helping out the team, but I think a solid team of right now players, and then a bunch of prospects that are going to catch the players that have been here longer in a season or two should get to come to start team chem and all that. maybe have 11 for the starting roster, 22 prospects, and 7 as subs for the regular roster. If there are enough good prospects not that far from competing for a job at this point in time.

Hopefully my stadium is picked as Team Canada's home turf! ;P

Sorry Aowyr, I should have posed that question also.

Aowyr's stadium, hands down. Especially since he's going to be adding another double multi shortly.

I think I am roughly two weeks away from my fourth double multi starting construction. And I hope to have my fifth started before the dawn of next season. But I am not sure. I need to draft a big gun to sell to ensure I can get it going!
Who needs facilities? Not this guy <-----

Also when those two doubles are done I am doing two singles in the last two places. So It looks real. Then I will upgrade all the off stuff like pitch quality and whatnot. Then I will work on increasing the capacity.. I have a plan in my head. It's nice to see my plan coming into fruition!

I tend to agree with you Ketch, I think that the selection of this team should be forward looking. The great thing is that many of our 'best right now' players are long career paths so they also fit into the 'best prospect' categories.

Rob Frenette 18(6/6)
Yves Todd 18(6/6)
Tyson Borden 17(6/6)
Steve MacDonnell 17(6/6)
Jerod Tery 18(6/6)

It is because of this that I believe Canada has a good shot at being really successful at the World's in soccer for many years to come. We just need to get off to a good start with a good plan in place.

H-A-B will be singles and C-D-E-F-G will be doubles? SAAAWWWEEEEEEEEET!