Subject: US Senior National Team

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Without even taking chemistry or exp into account, I have Kevin Hall 's eOR at 574 - Which is still over 100 points higher than Dean Read 's is right now.

Hardly "equal," especially once you factor in exp and chemistry.

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Sorry... adhd.

Somehow completely missed reading your last 2 sentences the first time I read through that comment.

I apologize if my tone was overly confrontational.

Hi Lanky Kevin Hall is not going anywhere and will be playing the bulk of the games this season and will slot into Left or Centre on key games. Dean Read will be playing the friendly games and building up chemistry. Kevin Hall has the nice option to be able to play on 4 slots in a tournament if there are injuries where Dean Read has the option to play in 2 slots. Dean will come more into play next season and the season after, but the building blocks are starting this season.
Ted Keenan will play this year if there are injuries in friendlies but if not then he will just be called up on weeks there are friendlies for the training bonus. Then next season he will take his place as the starter on the U21 team and the Senior team can bring him in down the road.

This week coming up I wanted to field some of the new choices with some veterans to see how they play in my first friendly. Next week I will work on getting the starters back up to 80% chemistry for the upcoming tournament and then build on the others for friendlies.

You and I look at players very differently apparently.

I look at tertiary attributes as helpful but not necessary if your player doesn't have a high quality in it- So in other words the benefit from tertiary attributes is negated if they require a longer training time because of low Q's. That is why Dean Read has training in aggression but not speed.

I have Ted Keenans eOR 663 and 535 for offense and 544 for defense. I have Kevin Hall at 643 for defense and I have Dean Read at 663 for defense. These are what i consider eOR.

Now considering that while I was managing I only added Stanley Hudgins while Tesco added half my starting lineup I'm guessing he has a similar outlook to players as I do.

I didn't add most of the ones that were added NOT because I didn't think they were good enough, but because I figured people would think I was favoring my own players.

Side note- When I look at players the amount of FiP has a huge impact on my opinion of such player. A lower than 50% technique will take away any respect for said player.


All in all my opinions don't matter too much as Tesco is the new Manager and I'm just here to help him settle in.

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All that is not to say that I think Dean Read is a better suit than Kevin Hall, only that I don't consider him THAT far away from Kevin Hall. I think Kevin should start, but only because of exp and Chemistry.

I also hope you see why I said "perfect" training for Dean Read.

eOR is somewhat of a "limited" overall rating. The theory behind it is that you can train 1000 points of field play, but if your guy only has 30 speed, the extra field play will be wasted (ie. the field play and all the other stats are "limited" by the player's poor speed).

From the guide:
"Speed: Speed is important especially for wings. However, other players must also train it. It is essential mainly for teams relying on fast breaks. Speed is also important to defend against fast breaks."

If backs didn't need to train speed at all, they'd say so in the guide (instead of saying the contrary). Also... isn't defending against fast breaks an important part of a defensive player's responsibilities?

I don't know if you ever played sports or anything... but think about it logically, it makes pretty good sense. What good is a defensive player who can't move? You can see the play develop, have amazing blocking skills, etc. but if you can't move into position, all of that is worthless. Trust me on that. Speed is often the biggest difference between the poor/average players and the great ones.

I dunno. Food for thought.

Oh gotcha. sorry for being such a bother. I misunderstood I guess.

I interpreted "starter" to mean that he was the one that would be playing in key situations and important matches.

But I understand now that the depth chart is much more dynamic than static.

Thanks for the response.

Ah that makes sense I guess. I had always interpreted effective overall to mean the players attributes at the core level- the main 4 stats per position. I've always had a very static view of the game but I see yours is much more dynamic.

In that case I feel like the theory of effective overall is wrong (or at least doesn't make as big of an impact as believed) otherwise teams like mine and Covington Rowdies would not be able to do as well as we do.

Yeah, I have a top 100 OTR in the world. I don't sweat how other people interpret the vague guide differently than me. You shouldn't either.

Never a bother Lanky. Better to question than to not. Best way for all of us to learn.

The theory stems from the guide for hockey. So it should definitely be noted that "eOR" may actually vary depending on which sport you're talking about.

In the hockey guide it states:
"Player with attributes 180 - 25 - 25 or 70 - 90 - 90 (where the first one is the primary main attribute and the last two are secondary main attributes) is not as good for the given position as a player with attributes 120 - 30 - 50. Similarly a player with attributes 130 - 80 - 30 or 80 - 80 - 80 is not as good as a player with attributes 100 - 80 - 50."

Look at that for a second...
1) 180 - 25 - 25 (a total of 230, with 180 in the primary attribute), is not as good as 120 - 30 - 50 (a total of 200).

2) 130 - 80 - 30 (total of 240, with 130 in the primary attribute), is not as good as 100 - 80 - 50 (a total of 230).

So even though the player's OR AND primary attributes are LOWER, he'll be a better player if his secondary attributes are trained properly.

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If you're interested, there's an in-depth article from 2012 by the (now-retired) manager xxflip about it as well. Find it here: ppm.powerplaymanager.com/...
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Again... I'm not sure how much this theory translates to handball and/or the other sports. Perhaps the importance of eOR has been muted over the years.

But it does make me wonder if this was the source of your "bad luck" down the stretch last season.

Shrug. Food for thought.

eh... sure it's vague in some ways, but it's absolutely clear that secondary attributes should be trained (and not completely ignored, as in the case of the player in question).

I mean, seriously... when it comes to managing one's own team, to each their own. But when more than 1/5 of our national team is trained by one manager, it just kind of troubles me when that manager is training his players in a way that differs from what's generally accepted as "optimal."

Not all are like that, the weight for speed on the player is..30

3rd attribute wasnt very important because what they were given was "good enough" for a long time. but it has started to become more important and needs to be trained as it will limit the field. a small training, at this time, can net a huge improvement if those attributes are bellow 25%

I dont think all needs to be at the same rate. I prefer to believe if there are 2 attributes that are the same level the average of them should be 25%.

so for backs Spe+Agr/2 should be 25% that is my believe and it should also have a minumum percentage for each attribute.

in short.. if you want your back to shoot more and be a bit more agressive, train agr a bit more than spe. if you run the fast break and he will be passing (or receiving a pass) then train spe more