Onderwerp: Suggestions?

it hurt my growth because the sponsors I received in the following season dropped way down. And my sponsors this coming season will probably be even lower.
By the end of the first season in I.1 my OTR was lower than the top teams in tier II. 2 seasons after promoting my OTR is up to 150 less than comparable tier II teams.

sorry. It's been 3 seasons since promotion.
Where does the time go?

It seems nobody bothered to read what I had to say about this. Everything is tied to OTR and more importantly money... and when money is concerned, everyone will do what is best money wise.

Because the 60-80 OTR and promotion bonus are nothing compared to what you can gain by staying in a lower league. Just looking at III.2, my old league, of the top 8 teams only 2 have a lower OTR than mine. My first season in II.1 I started with an OTR of 266.33, my second season I started with an OTR of 263.52, this season I started with an OTR of 262.69 and next season I will start again with roughly the same OTR. This means my sponsor contracts haven't increased while all my costs have continued to do so.

While teams at the top of II.1 are improving their OTR and therefore their sponsor contracts, mine have not budged. While they have been able to continue improving their teams and facilities, I find myself increasingly bogged down. While teams in III.2 have been increasing their OTR and sponsor money, mine have not budged. While they have been able to continue improving their teams and facilities, I find myself increasingly bogged down.

The extra OTR and promotion Bonus are insignificant in comparison to what is lost by remaining competitive and increasingly so the longer you stay in a league where you are not competitive.

The source of the problem is with the way PPM works, not the players. Take the NHL for example, the lower ranked teams are awarded the top picks and this gives them an opportunity to turn things around and become competitive. With PPM there's no mechanism that operates a similar function, the top teams are rewarded with more money and the lower teams get scraps thus making it nearly impossible to catch up to the bigger teams. The lack of such a mechanism makes relegation the default and perhaps only realistic way of improving a team for those of us who cannot compete with the top teams in our league.

The way it works now, is the top teams in each league get better and better, while the medium teams stay medium and the bottom teams get worse and worse so the gap becomes bigger every year. The top teams have no incentive to promote until they can be a gauranteed top team in the higher league. the 27 mil to promote in my league will not make up for a year of failures and not gaining OTR to improve sponsor money next year.

In response to charredmonkey and Jax45 : neither of your individual situations apply to what I've wrote. So I'll repeat my statement and capitalize one important word: I think anyone who avoids PROMOTION is crazy.
In response to thegreaterikku : I agree that everyone should be doing what is best money wise. However, it is of my opinion that this is not happening. I see too many teams avoiding the rewards of promotion because they fear losing games in a higher league.

I couldn't agree more.

For my soccer team, I promoted to League II two seasons ago but got relegated last season and this season I'm back in III. I'm absolutely loving it, I can't recall any significant damages to my finance or team growth. In fact, the promotion money was spent towards the stadium and facilities which are now rewarding me back.

Right now, my hockey team is in the 3rd deciding game of the playoff finals. In the middle of the season, I thought of staying in III for a few seasons but now that I got this far, I figured I would have to take it. The promotion money + playoff finish reward is too big to turn down, so hopefully I can make it.

Even if my team doesn't do good in II, I don't think it's too big of a problem to go back to III and develop the team.

That being said, I wonder if you could garner more money by promoting one season and relegating the next season and repeating that, than to stay as a middle-ranked team in the same league each year.

Because OTR is a big determining factor in finance. Better sponsors, more money. Which is why I asked for a revised OTR bonus based on the opposing team's best 20 players (they already have this information calculated).

Teams will want to go higher and face better team since the reward will be far more interesting than it is now since facing inferior team will hurt their OTR gain in the long run.

Then teams stuck in stronger leagues won't be penalized since their OTR gain will be normal because of the opposition.

doesn't my situation apply.
I promoted and it wasn't worth it. I would have been better off not promoting.

Why again do people play this game - for myself it is the challenge of competing against other people, who may have more advantages (not significantly more) - picking a long term strategy and task and seeing what will come about. These games are slow burn games, may take years to see the benefit or damage done by decisions....If the goal is to make as much money as possible to make a run to win first overall, and they believe the best way is to not promote - so be it.

The people sitting at the top don't see a problem.
The people moving from III to II don't see a problem.

The people that are in a position to move from II to I see a massive problem.

I finished my first season in I.1 with 12 wins (2 of which were from an inactive team) and in 18th place.
My last two seasons in II.2 were 28-3-1-6 (with 2 training camps run during the season, which is why I have 6 losses).
The season before I was 32-2-1-3 (including a training camp during the season).

It is a joke when I can dominate in II.2 so easily, yet get slaughtered in I.1

Why should I promote for 12 wins a season, less attendance, less sponsorship, lower OTR etc?

Right now the best system is to promote/demote constantly.

Oh yeah, the only reason I got 12 wins in I.1 this season is because I burned a lot of energy. I started playing V.Low after I was virtually eliminated from playoffs and suffered an injury to my goalie.

There's just so many flaws to this game... and that's exactly why I f**king love it so much.

I understand what you are saying (I was briefly in I.1 also) and have been struggling to make the playoffs year to year (ie: middle of II.3) - but again, if you wish this to be easy for mid level teams to succeed at the expense of the top teams - that is wrong. We want to level the playing field somewhat, but not tilt it too much. I think it is fairly good, you may not agree, but you do not speak for everyone in the same boat as you.

Of note: if the issue is the difference between I.1 and any of the II leagues, then the answer is to have only 2 x II leagues instead of 4 for the smaller countries, not changing the money allocation.

I think there is an issue when people find it more beneficial to stay in a lower league and dominate than to actually compete in a higher league.