Asunto: II.1

Better late than never.

I've never seen anything about maintenance being related to league level, just salaries. In any case, the moral of the story is, upgrading stands will never hurt you, so it's money well spent.

This theory continues to hold water Arena expenses are at 7.7M per week. Yesterday's rejected *** Media offer was for 8.1M per week. Perfect.

That's only 6.4 million dollars per year + increased sales. It would take a lot of years to recover those expenses at 6.4 million per year. Even accounting for increased sales, there is the opportunity cost to consider, at least for teams nowhere near competing for league I.1.

Down in III, I just need the Media deal to cover Arena expenses. I could have been in alot of trouble if it didn't. It's the ticket sales that matter right now. 110M this season. I expect more next season. The big stadium will pay off when I'm a top team in II. I expect both General and Media to be well over 15M each by the end of season 15. Which is quite good. I know a few of the top teams in I.1 were only making 30-35M a few seasons ago.

You have excellent facilities and a nearly complete arena and probably have the players to be able to move back up towards I.1 fairly soon. But for someone who just started the game, there might be something to be said for maximizing profits in the intermediate without forgoing more productive substitutes instead of investing all of your money into future money making opportunities.

I'd just like to see an analysis on what the costs, returns, and time to recover your investment would be for putting everything into the stadium/HR office/marketing agent for a new team. While this generally seems to be a winning strategy, it might not be an optimal strategy to completely forgo the players/training facility/regeneration facility required to move into and compete in tier II when you pay 80 million to build a stand that might ultimately generate enough money above maintenance costs to pay for 1/x of a new stand for a new team in tier IV while they haven't spent 10 million or so on players and training facilities.

I think it would be interesting to come up with and prove a mathematically optimal strategy to win in PPM, with a model that could be adjusted for rule changes. Of course, that might defeat the whole purpose of playing a manager game.

Spending money on your arena is undoubtedly money well spent. The question is whether it is always money efficiently spent without any threshold.

With that said, I do intend to drop about 170 million into my stadium in a few weeks.

One of the main reasons for new teams to focus on money generating upgrades is that they can easily buy a veteran for a couple million that would take them 10 seasons or more to develop from their own SA. Grab a few lines of those type of guys and they can quickly be a II level team, where they'll get better sponsor offers which they can then use to upgrade the player boosting facilities.

I'm definitely skeptical as to the value of investing into your sports academy early on.

The training center may or may not be worth spending money on when you weigh it against having to buy a new team every few years to keep up in tier II.

I would agree with that strategy, but is it worth spending at least ~30 million on players instead of saving it all for the stadium?

I'm actually leaning towards the SA being one of the important builds early on. Along with HR. Possibly. But I haven't decided yet. I kind of like the idea of a good pull having decent OR(to sell for more money so you can add more seats), but I'm not sure if the financial commitment is worth it.

As far as having the math to back up anything I'm saying, of course I don't=) All I can say is that hundreds of players have done it the other way and no one who didnt start on day 1 would have made the playoffs if it weren't for everyone at the top of I.1 quitting. I was ny a season and a half behind and I certainly wasn't going to get there. I was already being forced to limit my staff just so I could save all season just to build one thing. I needed to do something that would make me money. So this new direction seemed like the best way forward. Ad I felt I should put everything I had into to get it over with ASAP. Hence the rebuild to go along with it.

The important thing to remember is that this will not cripple you financially like I was worried about when I first started this. I was an awful team coming down into III with a massive stadium. Last place two seasons in a row is about as bad as it gets. But the Media deal has covered all Arena expenses through the worst of it. Thats all i needed Until i get back into II. And I would bet that my ticket sales are comparable to most other's ticket sales and Media deals combined. Not including I.1, of course. Although I do have better attendance than most of them.

Also, if you ever feel like this is not the way to go, then it only takes one season to build your facilities up from level 1 to level 9 (I think it was 9). Providing you have the money to do so. Which you just might do if you've built up some Triples first

I'm not sure why I decided to argue about this yesterday; I'm pretty much following the same sort of plan anyway.

I'm not really sure that the sports academy pays for itself; I rarely pull any player worth keeping and don't even pull any player worth selling for 10,000 very often. It probably pays for itself eventually, but not fast enough to give a better return than the alternatives (unless you started in season 1).

I guess my main point is that if you spend over 700 million on your arena, you really can't call 6.4 million + 110 million per season net profit that is helping you (and you only get that much towards the end of building your arena). If you had started much later in league IV.8 and didn't have league I.1 caliber players to sell and a league I.1 caliber HR facility, then this would take quite a bit of time. In the end, you would admittedly be a much more profitable and therefore better team, but not for a very long time that it would take to build everything and recover your investments and opportunity costs (including lost sponsorship dollars).

Even at the end of this, you will still have to significantly cut your costs and save money for a few seasons until you can pay the inflated prices for elite players.

Yeah. I understand all of that. And maybe I agree with a bit of it. But I know going the other way didn't work for me. I think the only way you can keep this going is by being a playoff team in I.1. Building facilities is just as expensive as adding seats. Eventually. And the facilities don't generate money and don't keep you competitive with the top teams making much better money.

Unfortunately I won't be starting any other sports late, so it's hard to know if it really works from a newbies perspective. But you do have to combine this with buying good, cheap players. I'm dominating III with my kids. Surely it would be easy enough to be a top 5 team in II with very little effort & expense.

Maybe someone should sit down and work the numbers=)

Someone should though someone probably has worked out the numbers.

I basically agree with you, I'm just a bit skeptical without a basis in numbers and because it seems to be too simple to be optimal.

This is my first time up in a tier II league, good luck to everyone this season, hopefully I can stay up!

Back to back games without a goal scored, slightly worrying...

Got hit by a 12 day injury to my starting goalie... hopefully my backup can hold down the fort... Around 300 OR less