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"Yes it is risky to "give away" a game, but its definitely not stupid if you have the the 3rd game away"


It stupid when you know it will be punish. With this type of answer, you can tell me "It's not stupid to ride at 200km/h when the limit is 90km/h. It will make you save some time." You actually can ride at this speed, but the risk is here : if you fall, you die. So taking the risk is some kind of stupid, the potential risk beeing bigger than tha potential gain


"i did not begun to compare the reality and PPM at that subject, cause its not really appropriate here." I think it is, and it's maybe you will never agree with me. But you can disagree as you want, what I tell you is the developpers point of view : have a spirit near to reality. In the same way, they try to fight teams who win every game and lost the final to stay in lower division. Never seen this in any sport.


"One: for a real fan it doesn't matter if there is a restaurant on the home stadium or not." Maybe for "reals fans". But if you want to fill a 20000 seats arena, you must attire familys, people who are not basic fans. And they want a show, and all the facilities around. Are you ever going to a game in USA ? Hockey, basket, baseball, whatever you want : have you seen stadium and arenas ? Even in Europe, all the new arenas and stadiums are more and more shop inthere. Maybe there is a reason for that : it attracts people, agree or not, and make them spend money.


"How do you want to see what importance your team is playing." Are you kidding ? You are able to see if your team keep fighting or if the players don't fight dor the puck, skate hard or not... It's the difference between Very Low, Normal and Very High intensity... And no fan in this world like when players don't fight. And bad day or not, fans don't give a damn about that : when they play wrong, fans are mad, that's it. I don't know if you support a team in real life, but when a winger misses an open net, or a goalie take an esay one, do you REALLY think "Oh, wait, maybe he has trouble, maybe he fight with his girlfriend 3 hours earlier and he's upset now. Or his kid is ill, and he didn't sleep well the night before the game...". No. You just yell in front of you TV "YOU SUCKS ! I COULD PUT IT/STOP IT ! PLEASE COACH BENCH HIM !"


"Every game is a new game" Do you forget what happens every past week ?


And for finish : "Look, you can think what you want about it, but that new spectator calculation punishes a manager who is trying to hit the right tactics in the POs.". I think this is close the discussion. You don't want to hear another point of view. But as long you think than a "right tactic" is to save one point of energy, you will be in trouble with your fans. I never heard a coach tell me "OK guys, now stop playing, we losing 2-0 and it only remains 40 minutes". But maybe I had a lot of bad coaches in my career...

Reality Part: as i already said,imo its nearly impossible to compare PPM and reality on that subject. i also recognize that we have a different understanding of being a fan. we can discuss it for days and still have different opinions.

PPM Part: lets imagine that there is a manager, who has the first PO game away,he plays at very high and try to win that game, his goalie has a catastrophic day. He gets 4 Goals in the first period. Now he had the option before the game to stay on very high no matter what happens. Should he really take that option? 0:4, away and stay on very high? how stupid shall that manager be? And if that manager decides(before the game) to reduce the intensity when he is loosing that high why shall it be from very high to high or to normal? That would make no sense.
If you take a look at it just from the view of PPM (not reality) you should recognize that this spectator calculation has a influence on your tactic choice,if you try to get 20000 next game. Thats not right.

And by the way even in reality i as a fan would understand when my team would "give up" a game after 0:4 first/second period against a team what obviously is on fire. Maybe i would be disappointed and mad but i wouldn't "punish" them by staying home instead of support them the next home game. That behavior would be childish.

The way I think it is that PPM suspects you for match fixing and as a punishment they restrict your maximum attendance for next match. There's no other easily understandable explanation why that happens

I had my first and only match for many seasons that wasn't sold out this season after I out shot my opponent with very low importance but unluckily lost it. That was my only loss whole season and somehow one lost match was enough for a few thousand fans to not show up even when my team had won the previous 34 league matches. That's very loyal from them, isn't it?

"The way I think it is that PPM suspects you for match fixing and as a punishment they restrict your maximum attendance for next match"

Yes, it is. But they also punish those managers who are trying to win every game, but had bad luck the game before.


"That was my only loss whole season and somehow one lost match was enough for a few thousand fans to not show up even when my team had won the previous 34 league matches. That's very loyal from them, isn't it?"

Yes it is. I think your cook in you restaurant got sick and it wasn't open, so they decided to stay home

Good Morning Question: If I scout my 30 players without scouting managers and on sunday I hire 2 of them, the potential will be scouted (also changed), let's say "better"?

Once scouted, the qualities of scouted players remain the same.

The estimated qualities of non-scouted players will be more accurate with managers.

I agree we'll maybe never agree As long as I tink than PPM try to be the more realistic as possible, and you think we can't compare the two universe. Only developpers can answer to that and say who's right on that point.

For the "being a fan" part, I just say that all the fans are not ultras : there is a lot of kind of spectators during a game. There is, like you say, ultras, fans that will come at every game, no matter if the team loses or wins, and also there is spectators, who going to the game only if the team wins or play well. These one will leave if team plays bad, and I think it's THIS part of fans missing after a game played in VL.

For the "stupidity" of coaching choice, I see what you mean, so let me make a precision about that. Playing in VL isn't really a bad choice, and it could be a very good choice on the sportive point of view. But what I want to say is you're not only the coach, you're also a team manager. And sometimes, some good sportive decisions are bad in a financial point of view. And a manager could make reproaches to his coaches if his decisions could make the organisation lose a lot of money...

I was talking about Draft, didn't mention that

Haha I haven't understood ! So I don't know, it's a good question that deserve an answer... Maybe if you try to "deactivate" your managers and reactivate them you'll see if you have different estimations of potential...

It shouldn't change if you've already scouted the player.

"As long as I tink than PPM try to be the more realistic as possible, and you think we can't compare the two universe. Only developers can answer to that and say who's right on that point."

There is no right or wrong at that point.

i did not say that PPM and reality are different universes. But in that case is it pretty hard to compare it. There are to many factors which have an influence on people to watch a game or not, but PPM can just reduce it on some facts (last game result, importance etc.)
It is possible to let the game engine find a winner in the POs, but it cant simulate the flu of a fan.

As you see,the change of spectators calculation lets "suffer" manager who had bad luck last game, even if they won their previous 34 games (Antsa post)and it also has an influence on game tactics. That cant be good.

34 games won, last game lost(bad luck) = lost few thousands spectators! How realistic is that?

You don't need to be a ultra to visit all home games.


"There is, like you say, ultras, fans that will come at every game, no matter if the team loses or wins, and also there is spectators, who going to the game only if the team wins or play well. These one will leave if team plays bad, and I think it's THIS part of fans missing after a game played in VL."

So that other kind of spectators think: "My team has won 34 games in a row, but if they loose today i wont visit the next home game"
I would like to meet some of that few thousands spectators

What if the team loose the home game and win the other two games away before the next home game

If we talk about trying be more realistic, how about 4 on 4? 4 on 3? 4 on 3 in Overtime? Penalties which begin in a period and end in the next? 5 min Penalties? 5+20 Penalties. Penalty shot in regular time?

"It is possible to let the game engine find a winner in the POs, but it cant simulate the flu of a fan."

Why not ? You don't want to. But an engine can simulate that. In a more or less realistic way, ok, but it can.



"So that other kind of spectators think: "My team has won 34 games in a row, but if they loose today i wont visit the next home game"
I would like to meet some of that few thousands spectators"

I've got plenty of examples, especially in footbal I must say, but yes, this kind of behaviour exist.



"If we talk about trying be more realistic, how about 4 on 4? 4 on 3? 4 on 3 in Overtime?"

It's another problem. We talked about the spectatour calculation.

Anyway, you'd be warned at the beginning of this season : lose a game in L or VL gainst a weaker team, and a part of your fans will ot coming to your next home game. No matter your winning streak before. Don't be surprised if that happens.

"As long as I tink than PPM try to be the more realistic as possible"

your words.

4 on 4 etc. is reality! and these things are basics of hockey and still don't exist!
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"I've got plenty of examples, especially in footbal I must say, but yes, this kind of behaviour exist."


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"Anyway, you'd be warned at the beginning of this season : lose a game in L or VL gainst a weaker team, and a part of your fans will ot coming to your next home game. No matter your winning streak before. Don't be surprised if that happens."

i never said that it surprised me.

Are you telling me that engine started to calculate if a player has been drinking night before training ?
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That's normal variety in training. The other player trained only 7%. That's equivalent to someone training +1.80 one day and +1.93 other day.