Téma: U18 Canada National Team

Compare your boy with hockey.powerplaymanager.c... was on the Canadian U18 roster last season. He just sold a few days ago for $5M. Measure the difference in quality of the two guys and ask yourself if it is worth it to sell him. I notice that you bought the guy for $7M. Hate to get less than what you paid for him...

And a CL4 at 18 years old is not going to up the price, that's for sure...

In my opinion, 15 year olds sell best, because they still have all the promise of possibilities. If you sell at 18, you better hope your guy is still 6/6 and had perfect training, otherwise you just trained him for 4 seasons and paid his salary only to get diminishing return for every day you kept him.

Or make the ultimate mistake, like the manager of the player you mention did, and sell your player at 19 yo, which is the worst possible time to sell a player. At 19, it is impossible to be a 6/6 still (each CL rank lasts 3-4 seasons depending on the prospect. Never more.). Therefore you will be selling a 5/6 prospect and the other teams bidding won't know if he just turned 5/6 or if he will turn 4/6 the following season (it is a huge difference in quality of the player you are acquiring whether he has 3-4 more seasons of development ahead or not), so noone in their right mind would be willing to pay the highest price.

There is also an element of randomness in the market. Some very good players get sold too cheap, sometimes ordinary players go for more, but as a rule of thumb, a good 15 yo prospect with decent OR (around 300 early season, around 500 late season) will fetch a good price if he is put on the market for the full 7 days (so more people have time to see him and scout him before the deadline) and the deadline ends on a high time (around wednesdays 12:00 EST is good because it is 6 o'clock in europe which is where the richest teams are).

In my case, I have sold, back in season 25, Johnnie Aiken (a 6/6 W with over 92 atty in all important categories) for 80M. He would have never developed well for me. Now he is a player for Team Canada. I have pride in that contribution I was able to make for our national team, even if it meant sending him elsewhere. On top of that, it also helped me build my team infrastructures faster so that I can also contribute directly to the successes of the national team by now bringing up my young players.
I have had quite a few players contribute to the U18 and U20s, but not yet the honor of a senior NT. It will come eventually.

To each their own. Paul and I clearly have different philosophies. Each GM can take what they like and leave the rest. We all enjoy the game. It's fine if we enjoy it in different ways.

There is no problem selling a player at 18/19 if the player has been trained in a top facility, which Rousey Mousey has. The GM in this discussion forum does not. Bossy sold for less probably because he has two low qualities. At 15, starting OR and qualities are magnified so if you have a real stud the price inflates exponentially, but a GM with a bad Sports Academy would never have that opportunity. Even for a great 15 year old a new GM gets relatively f%#* all. It's like the US gov't telling Cambodia that selling their gas drilling rights to Big Oil is a path to development. It sounds logical but, in this unfair world, it is not.

You are right about selling a 19 year old at CL5 but it works both ways. Selling a 17 year old at CL5 should net you less. Most guys don't get to 18 at CL6 so buying any 19 year old at CL5 is a crap shoot.

I disagree that prices are bad for a GM with low sports academy. I do agree with the geopolitical critic, but imo it doesn't apply this way in ppm. Unless the starting OR is low of course (which happens sometimes because of a poorer SA, so in this way you are right).

However, for equal talent, any team will be willing to shell out the same amount no matter what team the player comes from. The problem only arises when the previous GM tries to develop his player, but doing it more slowly than someone else, the player loses value.

Hence my preference, for GMs without top facilities, to sell as early as possible when they have really good prospects, fuel their infrastructures and eventually be the ones doing the buying rather than the selling. It takes time, but it works.

Fair. Still, using an example of an $80M man is unfair for a new GM. If his 15 year old starts with an OR of about 300, I don't care the kid's qualities, he won't return half of that. We live charmed lives with maxed facilities. Down at street level the new guys are poor.

As Canuck357 says, 500OR at the end of 15 is the minimum for a top team to keep. A 16 year old with a below 400 OR is like betting pocket nines in hold'em. Yeah, the CL might hold but you will always be down on OR regardless. Good luck improving your hand.

I have a guy on my team that I got at 16 with low OR but very high qualities whose CL held. Fortunate me. The point here is that his last GM is VERY unfortunate cause I got the guy, not surprisingly, cheap...

Some progress on a draft pick I pulled in season 39, is he good enough for the NT do you think?

Posted about him on the I.1 thread, scouted he's nearly 99s across the board; 800OR at 17?

hockey.powerplaymanager.c...

https://hockey.powerplaymanager.com/en/player.html?data=23183716-vicente-brodeur

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I had to sell him to keep him in NT contention, and got a pretty penny for him, but with that out of my hands, I'm hoping the team he's currently at is training him optimally...

Brodeur is a good example of what I was saying. 54M is quite a few infrastructures improvements. Aiken was also a good example imo because my facilities weren't much higher than his are now when that happened.

You are right however that I would never gamble on a 16 yo with undesirable OR and 15 to under 500 by season's end is less interesting. If I have a youngster I pull late in the season with good CL and good attributes, I may keep him if he's below 500, but he definitely is a little bit less valuable (won't be in contention for the U18 and U20 anyway).

If the 15 to is 300 at the beginning of the season, he can be above 500 by season's end on a top development team .

In a great game to watch, our U18 hockey team scored in the dying minutes of the third period to win 4-3 over the USA U18 team !! Nice start to this season's World Championship !!!

Congrats to the other two national hockey teams who also won their first games.