主題: Lower League's vs forced promotion

I personally prefer to do at minimum 2 seasons in any sport in the lower league, to allow for team development, stadium & facilities prior to advancing up to the next higher division.
PROBLEM: It appears I will be forced to make a choice this season to promote with a scrub team that is in first place or throw the season during the playoffs which will dramatically hurt my sponsorships next season,thus allowing the promotion of a new team with half the skill my scrub team has. I made the mistake in hockey of promoting after my first season to end up in a league that realistically there's nothing i can do, I know I cannot win, i am forced to sit by day after day praying for the end of the season and desiring relegation. The facilities and stadium cannot generate enough of a boost to allow me to be competitive. The same thing will happen with my soccer team if I promote this season. ZERO FUN FACTOR. Zero motivation. Zero expectations. And I don't think the better teams enjoy playing teams that they know possess no threat or chance to win.

POSSIBLE SOLUTION: At the end of the season, for all teams that did not promote, but that sustained a full & complete season, with a legitimate effort to better ones team, why not pool all of these teams together and create a much stronger and competitive division among these teams? Put all the new managers in their own league at the beginning of the season, 90% of them drop out. I am now in a league that DID have several competitive teams, that were are par with my team, but they too have dropped out, i am left in a league that is so horrible that i could put all of my 2nd string players in and still beat all of them. I don't enjoy taking candy from a baby guys! And I don't enjoy the fact that the difference between the lower league vs the next league is so vastly different in the level of quality teams. Pool together the managers that have displayed the determination to succeed in the lower league and create divisions with these managers, you will have less drop outs, develop more comradery amongst managers, develop better players and teams that hopefully will be strong enough to be somewhat competitive in their first year of promotion.

So at this point I attempt to throw the season, which I don't think is even possible with my worst players on the field,and thus enjoy a healthy slap in the pocket by sponsors for doing the right thing.

OR

Promote and watch my team that shouldn't be there get whooped weekly. And this isn't my fault, nor any other managers fault, it is the way this is designed and been allowed to be played out. You're forcing lousy teams into taking a promotion simply due to playing against half a division of teams with no managers or new managers that have picked up a team that has already been dumped 3 times in the same season, most don't even make to the 11th day.

PUT GOOD MANAGERS IN THE SAME LEAGUES. LEAVE THE NEW MANGERS TO THE OWN LEAGUE. Look at my league guys, seriously, look at my scrub team, then look at the rest. This is not fair.

*loud applause* I feel like every season they should take all the teams in the lowest division that is completely filled with leagues (for U.S. that is D3) and take the teams with more than 50 points of experience and evenly distribute them into the top 4 leagues of that division.

That's is a scenario that I would be content with.

Something must be done to readjust the system, as it stands it isn't benefiting anybody,especially those unlucky enough to promote their first season. Either adjust the current system in D3 or at minimum provide the unfortunate promoting team one hell of a bonus to invest in their future. I'm not a big fan of my second proposal, but it's certainly better than nothing. It's either realigning the D3 divisions, or increased compensation to make up for what you cannot do, which is succeed. I do not expect to promote and be the top dog, wouldn't want that either, just the opportunity to be somewhat able to showcase your managerial abilities in a more hostile / competitive environment.

I would not like this scenario. This is what happens already and I dont like.

If "great" teams are in lets say II.1 and the horrible in the II.2, all it takes is one team to become a bit more active to become the best team in the league and earn tons of OTR and eventually easily promote to I.1, while a great team in II.1 may be there for 4 real life years due to others being better.

New managers have a much greater chance to abandon their teams, leaving the league too "easy" for the others.

Perhaps, at the end of season managers being shuffled around in different leagues so all leagues are at about same average strength would be better, IMO.

And for new managers ... some sort of Academy league where this special league are only for new managers. Like .. they have to play 2 full seasons in there before they jump to professional league.

In this academy league they should earn more money then lowest professional league. so when they jump into the pro, they are more ready to compete.

not that i disagree with what you're saying, But I am mainly referring to D3, where habitually, every league in D3 has maybe 1 or 2 managers in it that stick around all season. All this current scenario does is shuffle unready teams into a much tougher division that they have no business being in,they are not prepared in any way what so ever, financially, talent,arena etc. I suppose the only people that benefit from this are the teams that have been in higher leagues and look at it as an easy win and an opportunity to greatly pad their stats, which also pays them more money at the end of the season, so again, the unready and unfortunate team that got promoted is once again slighted, as they aren't going to be making bonuses off of stats in most cases. Just falling further behind. D3 is the worst division and the prize for winning it is to be thrown to the wolves.

Your idea an an academy league has merit, even that would be an improvement over the current system. Remember, i am only referring to D3. And I certainly wouldn't expect to be able to promote and my first year kick butt, it's not realistic, and i wouldn't want that either, rather a more balanced approach to promotion where a team isn't as handicapped. As you mentioned, a team could literally spend real life years in the same league, why make it even more painful for the first promotion? I am in a spot where nothing i do is beneficial to my team. That sucks.

I disagree with this being a "problem" though. You'll never beat out top teams in higher divisions with OTR. And, contract offers in lower divisions are always a little bit lower even if the teams have the same OTR.

I think there's big enough disincentives already.

I think a new team Academy/grooming league is an interesting idea with some merrit though.

No what I meant is to take the teams mentioned before and EVENLY distribute them between the first 4 leagues (III.1-III.4) in D3. And then take away the promotion from the leagues that don't have those active managers(III.5-III.16).

I know this idea would never be implemented because not a lot of countries have this problem, but I think it's a good idea for U.S. in Soccer. If there would be too many teams and they would over flow more than the top 4 leagues, than evenly distribute them to the top 8 leagues.

And I'm not talking about sticking all the teams with the highest OTR and Team strength in the same league and then thhe next best batch go into the next best league, but make a list of the best teams, then distribute the best to III.1, and the second best to III.2 and the third best to III.3, and so on...

D3 are often boring as only dead teams when sports already reached season 4. If we put all new managers in one league, by week 4 it may only have 1 or 2 teams left playing

And how is that different than the current system? 22 teams in my division, 13 teams under 11 days, 3 managers that have experience, and one team that is better than the rest, considerably. I have watched team after team take on new managers several times this season.
I am playing against MYSELF, not a league. I think everyone is over complicating the issue. The problem is simple, one or two teams in each league has a serious manager, the rest of the managers change as often as i change my briefs.
Whether it be an academy for new managers or readjusting after the season and compiling the managers that have put in the time, have shown some effort and dedication, put these teams together, thus leaving the new managers to do what new managers do, leave, or battle it out amongst themselves with the hope that a few of them make it into a better division the following season,where they will get a true taste of competition. D3 is horrible. The system is horrible as it is designed to punish rather than encourage development. The dif between D3 and the next league is light years apart. I want competition, but i want to develop my team as well without incurring penalties for doing the right thing. This is boring as watching paint dry.
I threw my first season in handball, could have easily won the championship, but with first year prize money, sponsorship its not nearly enough to develop and be anywhere near ready for the next step up, same applies to all sports. I'll win the championship this season and move up in handball, and be in a much better position in all aspects. Same cant be said for my soccer team, theyre so much better than the rest that i cant lose. rediculous. And my team is pure garbage.

Or at minimum make it that even if you win the championship your first season in, D3, everyone must complete 2 full seasons in D3 prior to promotion. At least the teams will have some development.

there is no difference, that is why i am saying that placing all "new managers" in their own league will cause someone the same frustration as you have (and i had).

the only way is.. lets say for example that we have 3 III leagues full of active managers (60+ days). Most teams die on day one or after very few days of playing (10 or so) so it is somewhat safe to say that 60 (or more) is a good number.

so, we have an academy League ... Only One. The max number of dead teams is ONE. When a new manager joins PPM he is assigned to Academy league. Games are "randomly" generated as there is no goal of winning anything. When team becomes ghost, they are deleted so no matches against ghosts.

The system them checks when a team reaches the 60 days and creates a Professional placeholder.

So now we assume the handball professional league is about to start, the last professional league was III.3 and among III.1, III.2, III.3 we have 4 dead teams. We also assume that 20 teams reached 60+ days.

What do we do? We assign 4 of the ones that played most to fill the dead teams.

The 16 remaining fills one but not enough to fill 2. So we place 8 of them on III.4 and 8 on III.5, then fill the remaining with managers that were just short of 60 logins.

That way professional leagues are constantly filled with active managers.

Other possible solution is every end of season the lowest league are rearranged (and no academy league). and that is somewhat what you suggested

so lets say there are 5 divisions of III and 40 dead teams

5 divisions * 14 = 70 teams - 40 dead = 30 active

Now we create 3 leagues with 10 active in each, then fill with 4 slots of empty teams ready for new managers.

As I was saying on your other thread. You are coming to II.4. Good managers and active forum.

I think it is unrealistic for your team to sit in D3 and gain OTR. Your team right now is a top D3 team and with a few minor additions will finish above regulation in D2. You will have a losing season next year but you will move up the ranks and you will get better sponsorship's and promotion money. Drop that on a nice new triple and some 10k vets. You will have a team that can easy place in the 13-18 range. Then you can set sights at moving into the top 10.

Enjoy II.4 you have a good bunch of managers and you can make some good friends/rivals over the next 2 to 3 seasons as you slowly continue your rise.

This is exactly what i was describing, except I don't have the energy or finesse to describe it well. XD

So many words... I want to read through this thread... But I don't have the energy lol.

dont worry, you have one year to complete the task