Onderwerp: Questions & Answers

Well said cavaelen. You do a good job of breaking down what the guide actually says as that has to be the starting point of any discussion.

I had started to write a longer analysis of my views but I'm just not in the mood. Maybe I'll work on it and submit it for consideration

Thanks, so you can't do anything wrong with the shooting skill (there isn't a ratio for it..)

Is this normal?
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most of the discussion around shooting involves its relationship to tech. Most people I read believe that higher tech equals better shooting and some people try and keep them 1:1.

They are probably right but personally i train shooting in relation to the main atty (70-90%) and the persons own quality. If a guys shooting quality is low I don't bother and train up passing instead. If a player can neither shoot nor pass he is worthless to me. But thats just how I do it.

Is what normal? It looks like a great game!

So for my example it will be:

Offense 80 - Passing 60 - technique 40 - shooting 40

or like you did:
Offense 80 - Passing 60 - technique 40 - shooting 70%-90% of offense?

Am I wrong or did I understood this okay.

The penalty shootout. I don't know much about hockey, that's why I ask.

Other than it being really long... yep, looks fine to me. Both teams have GREAT goalies, so you have to expect a few misses in that case.

That's what I would do

you got it. My training philosophy changes all the time and I imagine by the time I have an 80 primary player it will change again, but this is what a guy on my team would probably look like:

Offense 50 - Passing 40 - Tech 35- Shooting 45

now I am definitely in the minority on that as a quick look at many teams rating show that they train shooting lighter and they still are very successful. Personally, at the moment, I am testing the theory of training shooting higher, so like i said thats just me. This first player in your example is more like what i think most people are doing and is probably a better player. I just like to be different.

Higher shooting atty pretty much means a lot more shots on goal. More shots on goal gives your team more scoring opportunities, so IMO, there is no such thing as TOO much shooting.

Thanks for the insight. Now the question is what would that guy do for performance of avg shots per game and avg goals per shot?
I'll have a bit of time this evening and plan to do a breakdown of a few of my players giving sho/tech, avg shot game/avg SoG%

i was about to post, on the issue of shooting, I havent done an in depth analysis, thats why I mostly talked about what other people say. I definitely believe, from what I've read, that there is a connection between tech and shooting, I just don't train shooting in relation to tech. Honestly shooting is the one atty I just eyeball. My training regement is primary first, then secondaries to ratio, then any tertiary that i feel is needed (like tech for defenseman) then before i send them back to primary I look at shooting and make a decision to train it or not.

It would be interesting to see your analysis. It would also be interesting to look at where people play. Though I have done no study on this, I have felt at times that RW's get more shots. I repeat I have no scientific evidence to back that up, its only what I have felt at times (like when i lose by one goal and my no shoot RW takes 6 shots and misses them all while high shoot LW takes 1 )

I did a bit of tabulation of stats so far this season related to shooting. As I expected it really shows that shooting ability doesn't mean that much. I broke it down by offense/defense and shooting atty. Pretty much all the players have tech a few points over shooting.
avgSHpg= average shots per game
avgGOpSH= average goals per shot

<25 shooting atty
o 12games avgSHpg= 2.166 avgGOpSH= 0.192
d 40games avgSHpg= 0.825 avgGOpSH= 0.121
26-30
o 40games avgSHpg= 2.125 avgGOpSH= 0.141
d 14games avgSHpg= 1.000 avgGOpSH= 0.071
31-35
o 48games avgSHpg= 2.083 avgGOpSH= 0.060
d 21games avgSHpg= 0.952 avgGOpSH= 0.100
36-40
o 21games avgSHpg= 2.476 avgGOpSH= 0.173
d 31games avgSHpg= 1.129 avgGOpSH= 0.171
>41
o 89games avgSHpg= 2.359 avgGOpSH= 0.128
d 36games avgSHpg= 0.888 avgGOpSH= 0.093

To help get a bit of perspective average O for forwards around 65 and average o for defenders is much less....

Upon thinking about this further my conclusion is for forwards shooting atty around 50-60% of O worked best. For defenders it's too hard to say. I think I'm going to do a sample like this for passing to see what the results show.

If anyone else would be generous enough to do a break down like this I'd LOVE to see the results here.