Asunto: Questions & Answers

They buy the OR 165 players and pump up a single stat with their overblown training facilities - this enables them to make a killing on the market. So the player that would have fit into your team to get you through the season is now hosed and soled to an unsuspecting bidder who doesnt know he's getting a broken player.

You guys can't possibly be serious with this one ...

First of all, the transaction is a two-way street. The manager selling is receiving more money for the player that they've trained, that they've pulled, or that they've purchased because they found him undervalued on the market. Some would argue they deserve more money than the manager who "saw him first,".

Second, it's an auction. Bids increase until the bid meet or surpasses the player's worth. I'm curious why are you wanted to purchase a player from the market in the first place? If it's because you thought he was undervalued, aren't you doing the same thing as the other guy? If you can't get the 165 player, buy 150's and train them to 165 (after all, we know they're selling there).

Third, the player with the training facility is using this assets to his advantage. For those who don't go out and purchase players with their initial $2m, they're hurt by the opportunity cost of finishing position & OTR and subsequently sponsorships and attendance. I don't see what's wrong with using your training facility specifically to train players you really intend to sell. Is another manager right to complain about a team finishing higher in the standings because they purchased facilities instead of players, or that they got a better sponsorship?

It is more that they find a player with garbage secondaries and a great primary - pump up the primary to a huge number and sell him. Players who don't know better get into a bidding war and overspend on garbage, and the seller gets a huge boost in money. He then pumps up his training to do these single stat wonders moreso and keeps up the process. Any one of us could do it but it is a matter of personal pride not to for me.

I am not saying that it is good or bad, I was just pointing out the theory.

Sorry fellas ... I didn't get any sleep last night and came to check in and misread the topic of discussion. My bad .. I thought we were bitching about managers spending on players they are not fielding.

Wow, good thing I'm not driving today.

well its the old debate in these game of "daytrading" en wrecking economy in long term for short term revenue over the body of "new" players to the game of which (a lot) will stop playing because they are huge behind on which these faults of them are added.....

Think the 50 day rule does aid this management game. What alternatives are there to have an even playing field. Best is a good newbie guid with do's and donts and warnings. But not many want to make it or even disclore "secrets". lol.

I have discussed it in many manage games. Contracts should be fullfilled before selling that measn signing for a full season is 112 days in your team. Second input is player and his manager negotiate contract and salaries. Player rather wants 3-4 seasons and play at least xx games with less salary then one season on a bench and sold. Third factor is the Board that do or wont allow certain actions managers do. Manager needs to manage board as well. Other things are more penalties as too many players get sold to quick , fans loose interest, confidence etc. And last is a cap of players, youth players and trainees with or without a foreigner clause.
Bit this need to be programmed from start i think.

So far PPM is doing well and better then other games i have been involved in

In the long run, i don't think anything needs to change on the Market. If someone blows their money, and someone else takes advantage, that's not PPMs job to regulate.

As a community, we should probably be looking out for new managers and working with them to maybe educate them on what to look for, so that they will at least be able to make an informed decision on the risks of buying an unbalanced player.

(But that's just my opinion)

Perhaps we can make the link to the guide a little more prominent, or show users who recently signed up a specialized login page with the most important info, as navigation isn't the easiest and it can be overwhelming.

I agree it should come from the community, not top down.

The issue most of all is to get people involved on the boards. There are pages of debates and all the info of how best to build a team is all right here, if we can get them to read that.

But, I'll freely admit, if a player can't take the time to read the guide, I hardly feel sorry for them if they blow all their money on a bad player.

Its a fine balance that has to be walked between whats best for growing and keeping the community and realizing that at some point gm's are responsible for their own bad decisions.

I think it really has to be on a community by community basis. For example, if you see someone join your league, take the time to say hi, and maybe introduce them to some points. I felt nervous contacting people in my own league for help at first, but if they had started talking to me it might have been easier.

I don't follow the III leagues, so I wouldn't probably notice a new member joining, but who knows, i might have to start following some of them (like 1-4 since they feed into my current) to try and help out.

I think it should be up to the heads of the country (especially in smaller countries like the U.S.) to reach out to new users. If certain users want to step up that's fine too. We're also assuming new users will check their PPM mail. I think there should be a small tutorial or walk-through but together by the PPM team to help with the learning curve. That would be separate from the guide. Just a detailed 6-8 page start guide to walk through would be incredibly helpful IMO.

trueblue has put together a video I know which may be even more helpful.

As a new manager, I am now grateful for the 10 day waiting period before buying players. Usually I get into these sim games and want to improve my team right away. Here, I have had a chance to understand the game a little, and also what type of players to look for. It has been enlightening reading the discussions on the 5-4-3, 2-1-1 attribute discussions.

Is there any type of mentoring program here? Some other sim sites have that, where a new manager has access to an experienced one, ask specific questions, do's and don't, etc.

Regarding approaching newer managers by vets, you may want to wait and see if they are active. If someone new logs in once or twice, may not be worthwhile. But if you notice someone has accessed the site and tried some things with their club, these are the people to approach. They are the type who may stick around and help the community grow.

Just some thoughts. Thx.

there isn't an official mentoring program, but most of us who are active answering questions on the boards are willing to do so in e-mails as well if a person is more comfortable with that. And the idea of sending e-mails would also help to create an unofficial mentoring program.

personally when i started i watched who the more active people were then approached them for advice, and actually still do. Early on shadd666 helped me out. Then later trueblue and popaji. The old message board had a q&a thread that went back to the beginning. I spent time just starting at the beginning and reading through it and that helped me out a lot. Unfortunately many of the archives have been lost.

I think the important thing is, we also need to remember when new users come to the Q&A forum with questions, that may have been asked 15million times, that we are not too quick to say "STFU n00b" and send people running.

But I actually did the same things as NS, tried to figure things out on my own, and then reaching out to some people like trueblue and shad with questions.

actually we are just now starting something like a mentor program. We have people called "helpers" who are responsible for this. You can find a list of them in the hockey account under "Information"